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Pricing system confusing.

Postby Schwanke » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:32 pm

I still dont understand why when pricing a 10th edition foil mind rot anything other then 10th edition foils are listed. 10th edition non foils and non 10th edition foils and non foils do not affect the price and infact will dilute or confuse the actual price.

Are they listed for information purposes only? or Are you using them in the equations?

Whether or not a 1998 Don mattingly exists does not affect the price of a 1980 don mattingly. Whether or not a tops don mattingly exists does not affect the price of score or a or a fleer. They are completely different cards. Its like comparing a 98 honda to a 96 honda. Just becuase they are both hondas doesnt mean they have any impact on each other's values.

Same thing with a 1996 honda and a 1996 buick. They do not affect each other's values because they are both 1996.

And I cant for the life of me figure out which numbers you are using because it lists the value as 47 yet there is no 47 anywhere in the list of prices for that card. In fact because my card is near mint and because the only near mint tenth edition foils are from abu games and are 49cents the price should be 49cents.

No idea where the 47 came from.

I cant even choose the 47cents as a buy at price without entering it manually because the store price says 14cents which is completely wrong and the smart average says 9cents which is even worse.

Is this a bug? Or is this intended?
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Postby Schwanke » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:31 pm

Sorry if I came off a little rough. Had a bad day. Apologies if needed.
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Postby gaddlord » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:27 pm

In the past we worked with just 2 stores and it was highly uncommon that they post Foil prices.

Being that way we show both foil and non-foil prices.

I guess "Exact Match" filter can be added as user interface option to leave only cards which have 100% similarity.

Until we add 72 new stores and the "Exact Match" option please use the Similarity column for checkup.

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Postby Schwanke » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:30 pm

Well using similarity to match condition makes sense. But using similarity to match other editions or foil/non-foil does not.

If the similarity equation includes other editions its a bug and needs to be fixed. Other editions do not effect the trade price of a card.
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Postby Schwanke » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:35 am

Sorry again. I've said this before. I have horrible emotion projection over the internet sometimes. Mean no disrespect. Just this particular feature is the one thats the most important to me and I kinda get pationate about it. I know I am not the only customer that looks forward to using it and others may have a different opinion on how it should be done. I am hoping others will chime in. I cant believe I am the only one that thinks pricing should be done 'a certain way' unless everyone else has just always accepted how other people thought about it? :|

Thanks as always for a great product. I have been fooling around with entering cards just to get some practice and see how things go.

AWESOME NEWS on the multiple new shops. Thats great. Cant wait to see that implemented. Maybe my fears will just evaporate with a larger data set and the difference wont be so much.

But I will say again that the different editions need to be seperated. They really are entirely different cards and it finally hit me how to explain it.

Its the 'legality'. Cards that move out of the legality of the newest and move into the legality of the older change value because they are not as 'popular'. I dont know the legality system directly because I also dont actually play but I do know that most people play the most current and less play the older and so on because of the availability of the cards among other things.

So theoretically if you were going to a do a simiarity system that included multiple editions then you would want to group them by legality as that is how they are popular in one aspect. I personally think grouping editions at all is bad idea but I hope this gives you some idea of atleast one example of how it works.

I also while writing this thought of another example of how price between editions would be illogical:

The Mox Pearl.

The Mox Pearl under unlimited is worth 500$s on Troll and Toad. Even assuming that all vendors avereged out between 400 to 600 making it 500 as the smart average. Think about what would happen if they rereleased the Mox Pearl as a common of the core set.

The Mox Pearl has never been released since its unlimited days so it would only work in the oldest of the legalities. If it was released again it would all of a sudden work in all legalities assuming there arent legalities that outlaw current cards. (I dont play so I dont know).

This WOULD have some effect on the price yes. But that effect would be reflected in the store price dropping automatically.

You would then have the price of the new common which would have its own natural price probably based simply on its usefullness as a card in game but possiblty because of its relationship to the old. But again this would be reflected in the store price.

Regardless you would have two new prices, the old mox worth probably 100 to 200 dollars less and the new mox worth much less because of its common status.

IF you do anything relating these two numbers 'automatically' in a 'smart' average they are going to grossly offset each other because of the shere difference of their magnitude. Even if you balanced it with 5 Near Mint across 50 stores at 400 each and 100s if not 800 to 1000 at common price, the average is still going to be massively higher then counting them seperately by edition and I think people would not trust your software if a simple card like mox pearl is valued at 50 to 100 dollars less as a near mint unlimited in your system then anything else (which would be noticed by professional collectors) as well as the common version if it was rereleased being valued several full dollars more then it is in stores which would also be noticed by profesional collectors when they searched for the first. I could also very easily see many profesional collectors downloading your 1 month trial and plugging in a few popular high and low value cards they already know the values of to get a feel for how 'accurate' your system is compared to what they are used to.

I hope those two examples make some sense. Again I dont play but I have some logical insight thats been tickling my brain for months that I havent been able to figure out how to explain and I think it finally made sense.

Again sorry for the undue intenesity of negitive emotion if any. When I get passinate I sometimes get stupid lol. :/
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