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Multilanguage Card Arts

Postby jAsOnX73 » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:41 am

I put alot of thinking into this suggestion, so I hope it will be considered and implemented :)

As we all know Magic sets comes in different languages (English, French, Italian, German to name the firsts that come into mind, but also Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, Simplified Chinese, Chinese, Russian... and so on).

At the moment the only card art scanned and available are in English but other languages are coming once the main sets are done and what I would love to see is a program that supports them. I don't want anything complicate, not a full database update, not name changing... just a simple image swap.

Let's make an example.

Today my Card Art folder include all the English sets.

Alliances
Alpha
Antiquities
[...]
Visions
Weatherlight

Let's imagine French and German Antiquities will be scanned and available as a Card Art. And Japanese Visions too.
What I foresee is that these 'multilanguage' folders will be created manually by me (the end user) in the Card Art folder. My new folder list will be something like that:

Alliances
Alpha
Antiquities
Antiquities [FR]
Antiquities [GE]
[...]
Visions
Visions [JP]
Weatherlight

So far I've just added the folder and the new card scans inside each folder. The jpgs are named exactly like the correspondant English cards, so - basically - the filenames inside the Visions folder will be exactly like the ones inside the Visions [JP] folder.

Now the only thing needed is for MTG Studio to allow me to switch images.
The simplest way I see is something like a dropdown menu somewhere that contains every language available. Each item in the list is tied to a variable that indicates the language ([FR] for French, [GE] for German... and so on). If my choice is on the English language I will see the card art belonging to the default %set% folder. If I select Italian I will see the card art belonging to the %set% [IT] folder.

This way there's no need to change the database MTG Studio is using, there's no need to input new names for multilanguage cards and everyone would decide if and when to use multilanguage card scans. Needless to say, if I select Italian and the %set% [IT] folder doesn't exist, MTG Studio will still show the English version of the card art.

There is obviously a much more complicated way to implement this feature using flags and a pre-scan of the Card Art folder to get the multilanguage sets available. This way, under each card, the available language flags will be highlighted and clickable to switch the art, but I will be happy enough with the easiest solution.

What do you think about this? :)

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Postby jAsOnX73 » Tue Dec 19, 2006 9:55 am

Multilanguage list:

English
Italian [IT]
French [FR]
German [GE]
Portuguese [PT]
Spanish [SP]
Japanese [JP]
Traditional Chinese [CHT]
Simplified Chinese [CHS]
Korean [KR]
Russian [RU]

I hope I haven't missed any, though I'm not sure of the Russian language. All the others are confirmed for the newest sets by Magiclibrary.

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Postby gaddlord » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:08 am

Hmm. This is not difficult to implement. I will consider adding this functionality. :wink:
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Postby jAsOnX73 » Tue Dec 19, 2006 10:16 am

Wow, that was quick :)

I'm so happy I'm going to celebrate :)

Btw, have you considered adding the Coldnsap/Alliance/Ice Age theme decks (just the English version if I could switch between english, french, german and italian) reprints? :)

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Postby gaddlord » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:55 am

I can add them too. Unfortunatelly I currently only have the sanned images of Coldsnap EN and Coldsnap GE. Do you have the other Italian and French versions? Also do you have the Ice Age and Alliances scans?
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Postby gaddlord » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:36 am

Finally, I made up my mind and decided to add a new "edition" called Alternate Art in which 208 images with alternative card art to be available.

This way no change the the program source code would be required and the database will be more coplete than ever :))

I have sent you (on your libero.it account) the scanned images named as they should be.
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Postby gaddlord » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:35 am

Here is a seak preview of MTG Studio 2.0 support for multilanguage cards.

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Postby jAsOnX73 » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:43 am

gaddlord wrote:Here is a seak preview of MTG Studio 2.0 support for multilanguage cards.


Holy mother of God, that's amazing. It's more that I would've expected. Thanks man, that's a wonderful xmas gift. Really. :)

One thing I would like to ask. Is the multilanguage support compatible with the card art scanner (i.e. checking for missing images) or not? I think it would be a mess to include in the scanner sets whose images are not scanned and available. If the card art scanner could just check sets 'flagged' in a way, it would be great. You just need to flag available sets when they're available and always have the scan situation under control.

Also, have you added multilanguage where available and checked some magic site? I mean if 4th edition wasn't ever printed in German, MTG Studio won't have 'German' language for 4E, right?

Can you share with us some info on how this will work? Naming scheme, folder organization and whatever else :)

Thanks again gaddlord and merry xmas to you and your family.

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Postby gaddlord » Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:18 am

Is the multilanguage support compatible with the card art scanner.

It is 100% compatible. :wink:

Also, have you added multilanguage where available and checked some magic site?

I used Magic Library as primary source for the alternate art scans
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-si ... inese.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-asian.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-visions.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-planeshift.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-portal.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-apac.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-euro.html
http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-guru.html

Magic Cards Info has something unique to offer also - translation of almost all cards to German, French, Spanish, Italian whether the card has been printed in this language or not.

Can you share with us some info on how this will work? Naming scheme, folder organization and whatever else

It is just a new Edition called Alternate Art where cards are named in the standard naming convention

CARD_NAME [(SUBSET_NAME? LANGUAGE? FOIL?)?]? (VERSION)?

for example:
Charcoal Diamond [7E SC Foil].full.jpg - 7th edition alternate art in Simplified Chinese which is foil
Elite Cat Warrior [PT SP] (1).full.jpg - Portal reprinted card in Spanish. Version 1

Possible SUBSET_NAMEs are:
6E
GURU
EURO
APAC
PT
Demogame
5E
7E
8E
PY
P2
PS
9E
VI
DS
OD
IN
US
TE
P3
US
PT
MI
P2
6E

Possible Languages are:
NAME ABBREVIATION
English EN
French FR
Portuguese PR
German GE
Russian RU
Latin LA
Greek GR
Italian IT
Spanish SP
Japanese JP
Simplified Chinese SC
Traditional Chinese TC
Korean KO

Check your email. I have sent you the images correctly named and the updated database.
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Postby jAsOnX73 » Sun Dec 24, 2006 12:25 pm

I'm going to check the new DB quite soon.

Just a couple of concerns:

- I see you put [EN] as a variable in alternate arts. I guess it will be only used when the art is different from the original set.

- Do you plan to support multilanguage scans of full editions this way or you figured something else along the lines of my first post (art switching)?

- This alternate art folder will only include alternate arts or are you considering a chinese card like 'different art'? I guess the new HQ Ice Age/Alliances reprints (EN, GE and IT) will belong to this folder.

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Postby gaddlord » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:01 am

Any card which is printed in language different than English will be considered Alternate Art and will go to that folder.
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Postby jAsOnX73 » Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:32 am

wouldn't it be a problem when - let's say - everything will be available and that folder would have 20000 pictures inside? But I guess we will discuss this problem if and when :)

I also noticed in that Alternat Art folder there are a few [EN] cards that looks exactly like the ones in the main sets. Is there some relevant difference I'm missing out?

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Postby gaddlord » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:04 am

I also noticed in that Alternat Art folder there are a few [EN] cards that looks exactly like the ones in the main sets.

Only the card art is different. Look at http://www.magiclibrary.net/rarities-pl ... glish.html Ertai, the Corrupted and click on the card to seethe difference.

wouldn't it be a problem when - let's say - everything will be available and that folder would have 20000 pictures inside?

Only 1.5% of the ever printed cards have alternate art. 20'000 alternate art cards will be achieved in year 3010 A.C. if Wizards follow their alternate art tempo. ;)
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Postby jAsOnX73 » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:55 am

gaddlord wrote:
wouldn't it be a problem when - let's say - everything will be available and that folder would have 20000 pictures inside?

Only 1.5% of the ever printed cards have alternate art. 20'000 alternate art cards will be achieved in year 3010 A.C. if Wizards follow their alternate art tempo. ;)


I meant a full 8th edition japanese scan, or a full Ice Age german scan. All magic cards in all languages are alot. That's why I suggested image switching.

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Postby gaddlord » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:04 am

I really prefer having each physically printed on paper card to be represented by a single row in the database.
This allows me add additional card attributes much easier and extend the functionality witout breaking the existing one. I will stick to this implementation.
Perhaps additional feature can be added if a card has alternate art in the AA edition or has other versions or is reprinted in another edition, a combob ox with all its variances to be available.

For example
If you select the card Blaze from 9th edition, the combobox "Reprints" will be filled with:

Blaze - 8-th Edition
Blaze - 7-th Edition
Blaze - 6-th Edition
Blaze - Portal Three Kingdoms
Blaze - Portal Second Age
Blaze (1) - Portal
Plaze (2) - Portal
Blaze [PT EN] - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT FR] (1) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT FR] (2) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT GE] (1) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT GE] (2) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT JP] - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT SC Foil] - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT SC] (1) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT SC] (2) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT SC] - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT SP] (1) - Alternate Art
Blaze [PT SP] (2) - Alternate Art

This will mimic exactly the behaviour you want for alternate art cards + ability to see reprinted and versioned cards. :wink:

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